A bad experience with a guild *warning to other players* - Guild Wars Forums

HowardJones · Jun 19, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Ok I am not here to flame or get revenge, I wanted to share my guild experience with folks looking for a guild as a warning of what might happen to you.

I joined this guild in January and was there until last week. This guilds policy is not to sell to other guildies, but to give what you can. I thought that this was a good idea and have always given to guildies so I felt at home. The guild had a policy of getting the officers fissure armor, and I felt this too was justified because the officers have duties and are supposed to help their guildies accomplish things. So, the guilds policy was to ask for donations of ecto, shards and mats. Soon the guild also started asking for gold donations.

I donated many quality items, green items and mats, including dye and ecto. I always asked if anyone wanted to accompany me on my mission objectives tho I was not an officer. I rarely asked for any help and never needed items gold or mats as I am pretty self sufficient. I am also very friendly and chat with players when people are online.

So here is what I started to notice. The very few times I asked for help I got none. I was helped twice in the 6 months I was there. Instead of promoting people to officer who had been in the guild, the leader was promoting people who had just joined. The officers were always out doing a group thing and the only people really offering any help were the regular guildies. Also I started to notice people were offering their unwanted crap and anything of value was not being offered, but this i thought was normal because we all need money.

So factions comes out and I find three perfect weapons for warrior. I do not have a warrior so I figured hey I can sell these and buy all the skills to unlock for pvp. I asked my leader how much he thought they would be worth and he immediately asks me for the perfect 15>50 celestial axe. I say to him "Dont you already have a 15>50?" To which he got quiet and then said "Yeah I do but I want that one because they look cool". I was hesitant to give him the axe because this seemed like a matter of greed and not charity. I told him I didnt think he needed it and then suddenly in the guild hall someone said I need an axe anyone got one? and the leader said "he needs an axe, give him yours". I am pretty sure he set this up so I would have to give over the axe to prove my loyalty to the guild, and so I gave over the axe against my better judgement.

A few days went by and I donated more rare mats, dye and weapons. It seemed that everytime I said I found something good one of the officers was asking for it for free.

I started doing Urgoz and it was time consuming for me. I always asked if anyone wanted to join me but never got any replies. Finally after a week I made it through Urgoz and got the short bow, to which I excitedly told the guild that I finally farmed something worth getting. I was immediately asked if I would give over the short bow. I said that I needed money for skills and was told that if I "donated" the bow that they would give me 25k. I said "I thought we didnt sell to guildies?" they said the treasury is there for us to use. I said "What about when I see people asking for things you all flame them and then boot them out for asking for stuff?" He said that was newer players not someone who has been loyal and been around for awhile. I said I had to think about it, that it took so long to get that I didnt want to give it away.

The next day I was summoned to the guild hall for a conferrence with the leader and the officer that had asked for my short bow. I was told that I seemed to have issues with guild policy and that my ideals didnt match that of the guild. I was told that I was not helpfull enough, and that I only did Urgoz and not helped anyone get anywhere. I said I was not an officer and that I shouldnt be held to those standards anyway. I said I got a little obsessed with beating Urgoz and was moving on. They insisted that I did not fit into the guild. I said "Youve got someone who donates items and mats and when he can, his time.... so where is the problem?" I said "Why dont you admit the real reason why you are coming down on me?" I confronted them about the bow and they said "If we got the bow we would immediately ask if anyone wanted it", which I know is a lie because the leader is always saying he wants those bows. Finally the leader said "You dont fit in here I think you should leave". And they booted me from the guild.

So that is how I got snookered out of abour 250k and was left guildless. Be carefull of guilds asking for "donations".

makosi · Jun 19, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

This is one of the reasons i don't do guilds. In fact its one of the reasons is spend most of my time away from human beings. People are generally selfish, arrogant and immature and hurt you, sometimes because they want to and sometimes they hurt you unintentionally in order to get what they want. I've had a good life so far (aged 19 now) and virtually nothing to complain about yet i still have periods where I can't bear to be in the company of people because they only seem to care about themselves, which is evident from your experience.

It made my stomach churn reading that post. Not just because you lost a tonne of gold but because it represents the people in the world we have to live in. It was the same story in Temple of The Ages where someone was scamming people out of ectos... that old 8g instead of 8k trick. How do people sleep at night knowing that they stole from some kid that possibly spent hours obtaining the items? Beats me.

Anyway, you probably felt like crap but all I can say is, I care. Be happy, be guildless!

golem bigstick · Jun 19, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

wow, i never knew guilds could (or do) really sucker people like that. if your interested i could invite you into my guild. we have a few of the same ideals as the other guild, but if it gets abused by anyone, including officers, i kick them(im the leader). we dont give the REALLY rare items away for free and i cant expect that from anyone. i bought a 14^50 gold celestial sword from a member when factions first came out for 300k, which we both agreed on. our officers and alot of our members are very helpful in farming, AvA, pvp, and both factions and prophicies pve.

master_of_puppets · Jun 19, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Wow it seems that you find rare and valuable times by the score. "I found 3 15>50 perfect axes and 2 perfect swords and then I beat the game and got a green perfect bow and then I had 50 ectos and donated 500k gold.

Im sorry but this is just dumb. You give away countless things to people you dont even know in real life? Why do you tell them all when you find something? Why would you stay at all in such a stupid guild? You seem to play a lot so why do you care? You said you didnt even have enough gold to buy skills and yet you give away all that crap?

DeanBB · Jun 19, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

That's just messed up. Why exactly does a guild have to provide all that for officers? What exactly do the officers do to deserve all that?

If guildies wish to give or sell stuff to guildies, so be it. If they wish to sell on the market for the cash they need, so be it. Guilds shouldn't be making their members shell out cash or materials at all.

We collected donations for our guild hall and some guildies went out and bought NPCs for it and others have donated gold towards another. The key word there is *donated*, they gave what they could or wanted to, no requirements, and there is a public record of it so everyone knows if it is used for something else or whatever.

Adamal · Jun 19, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

People are generally selfish, arrogant and immature and hurt you, sometimes because they want to and sometimes they hurt you unintentionally in order to get what they want.

My general perception is that people are generally good and there are a few bad apples that are like what you described.

yarddog · Jun 19, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

in my guild, i expect the officers and myself(leader) to help ALL members regardless of their status(be it officer or member). we are all PVE guild , so we regularly use our chat chanel for meetings to farm or do missions to help members elevate their level with out expectinbg anything in return and demanding rare items or materials to remain a member. i purchsed the hall, but the members of the guild added vendors, without anyone asking or knowing who purchased them. that is why i love my guild and if you need a good, fun solid pve only guild look us up. we would be delighted to have you as a member. good luck on your future endeavors.

HowardJones · Jun 20, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

thanks for your replies and offers of guilds guys. its funny because i just joined a guild today and after i posted this got an offer to join from the leader who already invited me

I like guilds, I like to chat while I play, and I like to share. That is what makes this game fun, making friends and helping people out and enjoying a community.

makosi I have felt like you do at times, but really life is all about getting what you give out, and if you are standoffish people will give you the skeptical eye. Im talking about "the real world". The best lesson I learned in my 34 years on earth is that I have to trust myself before I can trust others.

master of puppets you actually have a good point; I do have lots of gold and yes I am a fanatic about playing. The issue I had is that I am not running around in fissure armor like the officers in my guild were, and I knew that they farm all the time but save the good loot for their fellow officers not us players. I could afford to give the axe away so I gave it away, tho I fear it is worth more than I figured it to be. I ran 5 chars thru factions and three in a row I did the seeking the stars mission and got a perfect drop, so easy come easy go I guess. I have since bought all the skills in the game and have some 200k left (after selling the urgoz bow).

I also wanted to say I am not bitter and still trust people. This particular guild experience really got me because I had been there for so long and it was so obvious why they were booting me out. It also bothers me because they talk about "the lord" and Christianity all the time like they are so loving and compassionate, and I thought they were good people.

Forbes · Jun 20, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarddog

in my guild, i expect the officers and myself(leader) to help ALL members regardless of their status(be it officer or member). we are all PVE guild , so we regularly use our chat chanel for meetings to farm or do missions to help members elevate their level with out expectinbg anything in return and demanding rare items or materials to remain a member. i purchsed the hall, but the members of the guild added vendors, without anyone asking or knowing who purchased them. that is why i love my guild and if you need a good, fun solid pve only guild look us up. we would be delighted to have you as a member. good luck on your future endeavors.

Sounds like our guilds are alike. I've never heard of officers *needing* Fissure armor. I am the leader of my guild and I know that I and my officers help all of our guild members. People ask if anyone might have something, but no one demands anything. We do have a policy about selling to guild members (we aren't a built in customer base for your uber gear) though.

MrScaRy · Jun 20, 2006, 08:37 AM // 08:37

altho being helpful and friendly is fine, but giving away top items like that would just be abused more and more... you'll definitely be at a disadvantage

Godsbane · Jun 20, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46

i've prolly sold waay cheaper or given away enuff ecto and shards to my guildmates to have my own fissure! Leaders +officers are there to SERVE and help not to be Served otherwise ur just a slave!

Former Ruling · Jun 20, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I'd never join a guild that REQUIRES you to give anything to them that has money value.

Its just asking to be taken from and kicked when you no longer give.

BrutusV · Jun 20, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Wow that opening post is crazy. There are guilds like that?

A few weeks ago, a member offered to give out amber when it was still quite expensive, but I insisted to buy it from him instead. Officers and leaders are there to help and occassionally give out things to people they trust, not to collect things from members. At least, that's how we work.

Anyway, good luck with your new guild!

lyra_song · Jun 20, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

I try not to sell anything with my guildmates, but sometimes we INSIST that a person take money or something for whatever they give. XD If i do sell anything, its with a very severe discount. If its within the guild, money shouldnt matter, but demanding things like that really sucks.

Toffin · Jun 20, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

My guild we do have an inventory for everyone. Everyone "donates" what they want mostly crafting materials since that is usually what people are looking for when trying to get armor. We dont force them or any of that, we have 2 accounts strictly for this purpose. We are a laid back group of 50 and we all reap each others benefits.

We do not allow buying/selling at all between each other. We collect the collector items (blue weapons) for our guildies and then they customize it until they get that perfect weapon they want.

Our guys can only donate the low end materials/dyes for the guild. The 4 officers that have access to the storage know not to accept any high end materials. Other than that anyone can get materials. They all know about the inventory char and they all take advantage of it. They can give it to free up space and such. For example... when prophecies came out we were not hurting for crafting materials since we had plenty in storage to give to all members for thier armor. We like carrying 1000-2000 of the mats thats needed for armor. We actually had left overs that we sold to the GW community to make money for the guild to get our NPC's in our GH. The only bad thing is when we have no room for more to come in we have a hard time refusing it.

Toffin

~

HowardJones · Jun 20, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

I just wanted to say thank you guys for your support. I was feeling really let down and Im glad a lot of you agree that I was in a bad guild, thanks

Former Ruling · Jun 20, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

These newer guild leaders think "ZOMG! I'm teh LEADER Fearz Meh!@!!" all too often.

Makes it harder for newer smaller guilds to get any respect.

MrScaRy · Jun 21, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

I didn't exactly have the same experience, but one experience i had, it was the first guild that i stayed in for a period of time. It was actually my second guild i joined because i only stayed in my first one for a day or so. Well anyway, that guild was nice, they weren't exactly experienced people but they were a group of people who worked together and played together, and get together for LANs and stuff, so my friend and I joined their guild.

They were a nice bunch of people, and like the OP, I had a habit of giving stuff out to people, and I went rune farming a lot before so I had a lot of runes to give out, major runes when they were still not a bad price to sell etc.. I did that out of my own personality and my then guildies didn't demand anything, they didn't exactly accept what I had to offer as well. Later on, I started donating materials in bulk because it was taking up storage space and I had a lot and that was when wood planks went for 10g each. However, the guild leadership (the guild leader was the wife of an officer of the guild) said they had to go take a break from guild wars.. and the guild eventually died down. I had to leave the guild due to inactivity.. I then figured, contributing so much for your guild wasn't exactly a smart move, because there are always times when you feel the need to move on, move on to another guild for various reasons. Although, in my case, the guildies were very kind, and very cool people and not exactly the same as your case but just that, if you decide to give to your guild and donate stuff to them, you will need to remember that there may be one day when you will leave them, maybe because there are problems within the guild, maybe because you want to pursue your own goals which the guild is unable to offer to you...

I also figured out that, if the guild leader is a female, she is more likely to be more trustworthy than a male guild leader, mainly because females, I believe, are less "evil" and won't try to scam their own guildies out of their selfishness.

nohooiam · Jun 21, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

why did you stay in this guild for so long? -_-

master_of_puppets · Jun 21, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrScaRy

I also figured out that, if the guild leader is a female, she is more likely to be more trustworthy than a male guild leader, mainly because females, I believe, are less "evil" and won't try to scam their own guildies out of their selfishness.

Females play GW???????????

Jun 19, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57	#1
HowardJones Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005	A bad experience with a guild warning to other players Ok I am not here to flame or get revenge, I wanted to share my guild experience with folks looking for a guild as a warning of what might happen to you. I joined this guild in January and was there until last week. This guilds policy is not to sell to other guildies, but to give what you can. I thought that this was a good idea and have always given to guildies so I felt at home. The guild had a policy of getting the officers fissure armor, and I felt this too was justified because the officers have duties and are supposed to help their guildies accomplish things. So, the guilds policy was to ask for donations of ecto, shards and mats. Soon the guild also started asking for gold donations. I donated many quality items, green items and mats, including dye and ecto. I always asked if anyone wanted to accompany me on my mission objectives tho I was not an officer. I rarely asked for any help and never needed items gold or mats as I am pretty self sufficient. I am also very friendly and chat with players when people are online. So here is what I started to notice. The very few times I asked for help I got none. I was helped twice in the 6 months I was there. Instead of promoting people to officer who had been in the guild, the leader was promoting people who had just joined. The officers were always out doing a group thing and the only people really offering any help were the regular guildies. Also I started to notice people were offering their unwanted crap and anything of value was not being offered, but this i thought was normal because we all need money. So factions comes out and I find three perfect weapons for warrior. I do not have a warrior so I figured hey I can sell these and buy all the skills to unlock for pvp. I asked my leader how much he thought they would be worth and he immediately asks me for the perfect 15>50 celestial axe. I say to him "Dont you already have a 15>50?" To which he got quiet and then said "Yeah I do but I want that one because they look cool". I was hesitant to give him the axe because this seemed like a matter of greed and not charity. I told him I didnt think he needed it and then suddenly in the guild hall someone said I need an axe anyone got one? and the leader said "he needs an axe, give him yours". I am pretty sure he set this up so I would have to give over the axe to prove my loyalty to the guild, and so I gave over the axe against my better judgement. A few days went by and I donated more rare mats, dye and weapons. It seemed that everytime I said I found something good one of the officers was asking for it for free. I started doing Urgoz and it was time consuming for me. I always asked if anyone wanted to join me but never got any replies. Finally after a week I made it through Urgoz and got the short bow, to which I excitedly told the guild that I finally farmed something worth getting. I was immediately asked if I would give over the short bow. I said that I needed money for skills and was told that if I "donated" the bow that they would give me 25k. I said "I thought we didnt sell to guildies?" they said the treasury is there for us to use. I said "What about when I see people asking for things you all flame them and then boot them out for asking for stuff?" He said that was newer players not someone who has been loyal and been around for awhile. I said I had to think about it, that it took so long to get that I didnt want to give it away. The next day I was summoned to the guild hall for a conferrence with the leader and the officer that had asked for my short bow. I was told that I seemed to have issues with guild policy and that my ideals didnt match that of the guild. I was told that I was not helpfull enough, and that I only did Urgoz and not helped anyone get anywhere. I said I was not an officer and that I shouldnt be held to those standards anyway. I said I got a little obsessed with beating Urgoz and was moving on. They insisted that I did not fit into the guild. I said "Youve got someone who donates items and mats and when he can, his time.... so where is the problem?" I said "Why dont you admit the real reason why you are coming down on me?" I confronted them about the bow and they said "If we got the bow we would immediately ask if anyone wanted it", which I know is a lie because the leader is always saying he wants those bows. Finally the leader said "You dont fit in here I think you should leave". And they booted me from the guild. So that is how I got snookered out of abour 250k and was left guildless. Be carefull of guilds asking for "donations".

Jun 19, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24	#2
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	This is one of the reasons i don't do guilds. In fact its one of the reasons is spend most of my time away from human beings. People are generally selfish, arrogant and immature and hurt you, sometimes because they want to and sometimes they hurt you unintentionally in order to get what they want. I've had a good life so far (aged 19 now) and virtually nothing to complain about yet i still have periods where I can't bear to be in the company of people because they only seem to care about themselves, which is evident from your experience. It made my stomach churn reading that post. Not just because you lost a tonne of gold but because it represents the people in the world we have to live in. It was the same story in Temple of The Ages where someone was scamming people out of ectos... that old 8g instead of 8k trick. How do people sleep at night knowing that they stole from some kid that possibly spent hours obtaining the items? Beats me. Anyway, you probably felt like crap but all I can say is, I care. Be happy, be guildless!

Jun 19, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33	#3
golem bigstick Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Elite Rifle Squad Faction Profession: W/	wow, i never knew guilds could (or do) really sucker people like that. if your interested i could invite you into my guild. we have a few of the same ideals as the other guild, but if it gets abused by anyone, including officers, i kick them(im the leader). we dont give the REALLY rare items away for free and i cant expect that from anyone. i bought a 14^50 gold celestial sword from a member when factions first came out for 300k, which we both agreed on. our officers and alot of our members are very helpful in farming, AvA, pvp, and both factions and prophicies pve.

Jun 19, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56	#4
master_of_puppets Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: I dont like guilds... Profession: Mo/E	Wow it seems that you find rare and valuable times by the score. "I found 3 15>50 perfect axes and 2 perfect swords and then I beat the game and got a green perfect bow and then I had 50 ectos and donated 500k gold. Im sorry but this is just dumb. You give away countless things to people you dont even know in real life? Why do you tell them all when you find something? Why would you stay at all in such a stupid guild? You seem to play a lot so why do you care? You said you didnt even have enough gold to buy skills and yet you give away all that crap?

Jun 19, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24	#5
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	That's just messed up. Why exactly does a guild have to provide all that for officers? What exactly do the officers do to deserve all that? If guildies wish to give or sell stuff to guildies, so be it. If they wish to sell on the market for the cash they need, so be it. Guilds shouldn't be making their members shell out cash or materials at all. We collected donations for our guild hall and some guildies went out and bought NPCs for it and others have donated gold towards another. The key word there is donated, they gave what they could or wanted to, no requirements, and there is a public record of it so everyone knows if it is used for something else or whatever.

Jun 19, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40	#7
yarddog Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Philadelphia-Go Eagles Guild: Raptor Five [Five] Profession: W/	in my guild, i expect the officers and myself(leader) to help ALL members regardless of their status(be it officer or member). we are all PVE guild , so we regularly use our chat chanel for meetings to farm or do missions to help members elevate their level with out expectinbg anything in return and demanding rare items or materials to remain a member. i purchsed the hall, but the members of the guild added vendors, without anyone asking or knowing who purchased them. that is why i love my guild and if you need a good, fun solid pve only guild look us up. we would be delighted to have you as a member. good luck on your future endeavors.

Jun 20, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11	#8
HowardJones Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005	thanks for your replies and offers of guilds guys. its funny because i just joined a guild today and after i posted this got an offer to join from the leader who already invited me I like guilds, I like to chat while I play, and I like to share. That is what makes this game fun, making friends and helping people out and enjoying a community. makosi I have felt like you do at times, but really life is all about getting what you give out, and if you are standoffish people will give you the skeptical eye. Im talking about "the real world". The best lesson I learned in my 34 years on earth is that I have to trust myself before I can trust others. master of puppets you actually have a good point; I do have lots of gold and yes I am a fanatic about playing. The issue I had is that I am not running around in fissure armor like the officers in my guild were, and I knew that they farm all the time but save the good loot for their fellow officers not us players. I could afford to give the axe away so I gave it away, tho I fear it is worth more than I figured it to be. I ran 5 chars thru factions and three in a row I did the seeking the stars mission and got a perfect drop, so easy come easy go I guess. I have since bought all the skills in the game and have some 200k left (after selling the urgoz bow). I also wanted to say I am not bitter and still trust people. This particular guild experience really got me because I had been there for so long and it was so obvious why they were booting me out. It also bothers me because they talk about "the lord" and Christianity all the time like they are so loving and compassionate, and I thought they were good people.

Jun 20, 2006, 08:37 AM // 08:37	#10
MrScaRy Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	altho being helpful and friendly is fine, but giving away top items like that would just be abused more and more... you'll definitely be at a disadvantage

Jun 20, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46	#11
Godsbane Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: FoW spider cave	i've prolly sold waay cheaper or given away enuff ecto and shards to my guildmates to have my own fissure! Leaders +officers are there to SERVE and help not to be Served otherwise ur just a slave!

Jun 20, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#12
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	I'd never join a guild that REQUIRES you to give anything to them that has money value. Its just asking to be taken from and kicked when you no longer give.

Jun 20, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55	#13
BrutusV Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis [AD] http://aequitasdeis.guildportal.com Profession: W/N	Wow that opening post is crazy. There are guilds like that? A few weeks ago, a member offered to give out amber when it was still quite expensive, but I insisted to buy it from him instead. Officers and leaders are there to help and occassionally give out things to people they trust, not to collect things from members. At least, that's how we work. Anyway, good luck with your new guild!

Jun 20, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01	#14
lyra_song Hell's Protector Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: R/Mo	I try not to sell anything with my guildmates, but sometimes we INSIST that a person take money or something for whatever they give. XD If i do sell anything, its with a very severe discount. If its within the guild, money shouldnt matter, but demanding things like that really sucks.

Jun 20, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#15
Toffin Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Camp Rankor Guild: No Diplomacy Only War [nDoW] No Diplomacy Only Slackers [nDoS] Looking for an Alliance. Profession: W/	My guild we do have an inventory for everyone. Everyone "donates" what they want mostly crafting materials since that is usually what people are looking for when trying to get armor. We dont force them or any of that, we have 2 accounts strictly for this purpose. We are a laid back group of 50 and we all reap each others benefits. We do not allow buying/selling at all between each other. We collect the collector items (blue weapons) for our guildies and then they customize it until they get that perfect weapon they want. Our guys can only donate the low end materials/dyes for the guild. The 4 officers that have access to the storage know not to accept any high end materials. Other than that anyone can get materials. They all know about the inventory char and they all take advantage of it. They can give it to free up space and such. For example... when prophecies came out we were not hurting for crafting materials since we had plenty in storage to give to all members for thier armor. We like carrying 1000-2000 of the mats thats needed for armor. We actually had left overs that we sold to the GW community to make money for the guild to get our NPC's in our GH. The only bad thing is when we have no room for more to come in we have a hard time refusing it. Toffin ~

Jun 20, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21	#16
HowardJones Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005	I just wanted to say thank you guys for your support. I was feeling really let down and Im glad a lot of you agree that I was in a bad guild, thanks

Jun 20, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59	#17
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	These newer guild leaders think "ZOMG! I'm teh LEADER Fearz Meh!@!!" all too often. Makes it harder for newer smaller guilds to get any respect.

Jun 21, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23	#18
MrScaRy Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	I didn't exactly have the same experience, but one experience i had, it was the first guild that i stayed in for a period of time. It was actually my second guild i joined because i only stayed in my first one for a day or so. Well anyway, that guild was nice, they weren't exactly experienced people but they were a group of people who worked together and played together, and get together for LANs and stuff, so my friend and I joined their guild. They were a nice bunch of people, and like the OP, I had a habit of giving stuff out to people, and I went rune farming a lot before so I had a lot of runes to give out, major runes when they were still not a bad price to sell etc.. I did that out of my own personality and my then guildies didn't demand anything, they didn't exactly accept what I had to offer as well. Later on, I started donating materials in bulk because it was taking up storage space and I had a lot and that was when wood planks went for 10g each. However, the guild leadership (the guild leader was the wife of an officer of the guild) said they had to go take a break from guild wars.. and the guild eventually died down. I had to leave the guild due to inactivity.. I then figured, contributing so much for your guild wasn't exactly a smart move, because there are always times when you feel the need to move on, move on to another guild for various reasons. Although, in my case, the guildies were very kind, and very cool people and not exactly the same as your case but just that, if you decide to give to your guild and donate stuff to them, you will need to remember that there may be one day when you will leave them, maybe because there are problems within the guild, maybe because you want to pursue your own goals which the guild is unable to offer to you... I also figured out that, if the guild leader is a female, she is more likely to be more trustworthy than a male guild leader, mainly because females, I believe, are less "evil" and won't try to scam their own guildies out of their selfishness.

Jun 21, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26	#19
nohooiam Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Forsaken Sanctuary Profession: Mo/Me	why did you stay in this guild for so long? -_-